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Many religions believe in Gods will. To me Gods will is a religious paradox.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox

What is God will and who decide what God will?

Im a true believer in the individuals free will given to us by God.

Peace and love.

Free will to do what?

There isnt much free will in todays society..we have a lawsystem that tells people what to do..before that parents, schoolsystems..then bosses..the goverment..
We dont chose much what we learn either..
At what age does free will start?..The human brain is finnished growing in their early 20`s..we learn as all animals..by observation and repitition of our rolemodels..we copied belief systems that are thousens of years old, still carry on..philosohys and value systems as well...
Language we are trained to use..no free will in that..

Free will to be good or evil?.. its billions of creatures on this planet..none I see are good or evil..even when they eat eachother..as far as I seen we define good or bad from what can benefit or harm us..nothing more than that..
In the past when someone could emotionaly hurt me cause I had a twisted value system were irrational opinions mattered cause of my own insecurity..I would think they were bad...but where they?..no ofcourse not..
If someone hits me, its a bad action but I never seen a bad person..I seen destructive people..who became that for spesific causes..nothing exsists alone..

Many violent killers in prisson have been brainscanned and found frontal lobe damage from childhood abuse, other adults who were peaceful intelectual people turned violent when getting tumors in the frontal lobe area..
How does the free will work..it should be a consept that works for all living, not just for some individuals..

What happens to your free will if you get a braindamage which affects your behaviour..?..Or if you are raised and shaped in a society which distorts your mind and behaviour..?
We have countrys filled with millions of people sharing the very same language,religion, valuesystems and traditions ...if it was individual free choice would we have that many copys?

Hi ancelica,

Do you believe that everything that happens is Gods will?

Im a strong believer in the free will among us humans, if we dont have free will how can we then choose what and when to write on the zone?

It beomes to simple to blame everything we do on God, we will then live a life without personal responsibility for our actions.

Take care of your free choice.

Hi: )

Hmm well what you write on here, or what you express anywhere in life...how did you receive that information, or that path of belief and thought?..
Nothing usually comes from nothing and we are all influenced, by time in history, by geography, and by our enviroment.
If you were born and raised in a different place, by very different parents, in a very different enviroment and country..would u still be on the shamanic path..or would u be on a very different one?

I see children shaped by fanaticly religious parents..if you are not teached to question, and sheltered from a questioning society..you dont always gain the ability to do so.

We have geographic areas of faith, beliefs traditions...cause human children learn by copying their rolemodels..some continue to follow that path..others rebel and chose another..very few are born free.

If we are born and raised in a liberal community to be allowed to be free, then I am grateful for my luck..not cause something gave me a special freedom to choose, which not all are getting the equal chance to develope.

And.. no I dont belive in a god..I wouldnt know what definition of god that would be..that could differ depending on the person asking me the question..so I make an asumption..
I studied most religions and belief systems, I see their similaritys..all the way back to the ancient beliefs..ofcourse not all have just 1 god...but that makes it allot simpler I guess..also in studying the historical developement of religions makes it look rather different..

And I would consider it arrogant of me, to consider my freedom of religion to be my choice..Im not that inteligent or aware..not sure I ever met anyone who is, tho most asume they are..neither am I specially chosen for such a freedom by god, where others are not....I was lucky..not all are.

Hi ancelica,

I agree with you that many souls are brainwashed and are forced upon them a belief by fanatic parents or cultures, however, I strongly believe that by exposing oneself to new ideas one cand become more enlighted and be able to think freely.

peace and love to you.

"ancelica":

if you are not teached to question, and sheltered from a questioning society..you dont always gain the ability to do so.

Dette var kloke ord! Det er viktig å ikke ta fra barna evnen til å undre seg. Dette er årsaken til at jeg ikke liker kristendommens fokus i RLE faget.

Jeg må bare skyte inn at 1. klassen her hadde om den kristne skapelses myten før jul. Ungen satt ved middagsbordet og fortalte at læreren hadde sagt at det var slik - presentert det som en sannhet. Dette gjorde henne forvirret for hvor ble det av dinosaurene? Og soppene? Og apene? 
Ja, ja - litt på siden dette kanskje..

Ha en fin dag,
Fagerhjul

Barn har så mye undring i seg så mye spørsmål..som ofte blir tatt i fra de..
Har opplevd det samme med kristendoms undervisning til barn i skolen..hjemme fortalte vi om våre gamle skikker og at i norge er det tross alt kalt jul..så poden kom på skolen å sa..vel i norge kalles det ikke christmass eller jesusmesse..men jul..etter de gamle skikkene...da ble ikke den kristne læreren fornøyd nei..og sa at det var bare tull.
I steden for å sjekke bakgrunn for ordet jul..så avviste han det som tull..det er en autoritets person i dag for barna...veldig synd..

Blir som alle som gifter seg i kirka og sier at det har ingenting med kristendom å gjøre...hmmm: )


Vi er svært heldige i dag som har mulighet til å tilegne oss informasjon, men det er et ganske så nytt fenomen i historien..i tillegg kommer det enkle med å dyrke ett ønske om viten i barn og unge..det er slettes ikke alle familier som har fokus på slikt..og hvis alle var fritenkere i samfunnet ville det ikke bestå slik det er nå..

I dag har vi verdens største bibliotek rett ved fingerspissene..og når man bruker det..er det massivt med informasjon tilgjengelig..har tonnevis av fantastiske linker selv..men det bør vel være en annen tråd..
Men det er heller ikke alle mennesker som har tilgang til viten i dag..ikke alle som har fysiske muligheter til det..
Noen ganger når vi ser på meningen med livet ut i fra oss selv, er det mye vi tar for gitt..muligheter ikke alle innehar..når jeg ser på det menneskelige perspektiv..må jeg se på alle..ikke bare ut i fra meg selv eller min kultur..

De siste 20 år har mennesker spesialisert seg innen felt og dermed også isolert seg...og med framtiden kommer de som skal knytte viten og bildet sammen..utrulig spennende tid..

Men som på alle områder i livet opplever vi en forsinkelse..viten som allerede er tilstede er ikke enda almenn kunskap..vi lever konstant i forsinkelsen og opplysningen om så mange ting..

Personlig ser jeg på verden som vokser og utvikler seg å tenker..vi holder på å bli det livet vi har antatt at vi allerde var.